Daily Magic Item Power

[elijin]

From WoTC:

Magic Item Usage
Before we bring this discussion to a close, it’s worth mentioning that the limits on using daily magic item powers are no longer part of the game. They existed to prevent the characters from stockpiling items that were far below their level but still had useful, daily powers. Under this scheme, such items are uncommon. Stockpiling a number of them is impossible without house rules or a Dungeon Master who willingly awards multiple copies of such items as treasure. With our new rarity scheme in place, we no longer need such rules.

So I think Leonard has to say whether to follow this ruling.

The orgininal PHB ruling is that

A magic item’s daily power can be used once per day and is renewed when its user takes an extended rest. As with daily powers provided by your class, there is a limit to the number of magic item daily powers you can use on any given day. This limit
depends on your level.
At 1st–10th level, you can use one magic item daily power per day.
At 11th–20th level, you can use two magic item daily powers per day.
At 21st–30th level, you can use three magic item daily powers per day.

What I'm saying is, the new ruling is because of essentials which allows unlimited use of magic item daily power. But this is base on whether you use the Rarity/Uncommon/Common item schemes.

If you don't use the scheme, then game mechanics is abit broken in the sense that we can buy low level magic item and activate the daily power of the item.

There is another website which a DM has an interesting ruling:

So, in order to appease both the game balance side and the game immersion side, I have come up with a compromise. ou can still use one magic item daily power use per tier, as usual. In addition, you can activate another daily power from a magic item, but at the cost of a healing surge. You are still restricted to only one such use per round and with all the usual limitations. This allows you to access more item powers each day, yet it still puts an overall limit to item usage.

4e Magic Item Use: A Compromise

[wum1ng]

Personally the daily item power system is pretty badly designed either way. Limited to only one daily item power per day / milestone means automatically any item that is an encounter, at-will or just property is vastly superior; case in point Iron Armbands of Power, the best bracer item any melee person can get, simply because it applies all the time.

Even if you buy lower level items to spam their powers, you still spend actions to use them, taking penalties to hit, and you're spending gold. There's a wealth of items out there to be used, but not used because no one wants an item that has a daily power that they will never use or be a big headache to keep track off.

The item rarity system is a bit rubbish too, as the list of common items is very, very small, and very, very bland.

I guess there isn't a need to make a call until someone decides to abuse the system.

[elijin]

Feb 24, 2011 20:54:44 GMT 8 wum1ng said:

I guess there isn't a need to make a call until someone decides to abuse the system.

Hmm. we'll wait till that happens then. muahaha.
I put up this post cos I sense a disturbance in the force and I foresee this coming. ;D

[thedungeonmaster]

Allow me to clarify, I bought the Heroes of the Fallen Lands and I was abit perturbed because now I am wondering if the Essentials are supposed to complement 4th Ed? Or is Essentials another string of products from WoTC? Or is Essentials containing new rules that replace 4th Ed?

I think we have to come a common agreement as to whether we want to adopt the Essentials system entirely? Or still stick to 4th Ed. If we follow the magic item rarity system... how do we account for the magic items in AV and AV2? How do we decide the rarity of the item?

For me personally, I would prefer to stick to the 4th Ed rules system. Essentials would be good for PC creation I say. As for general rules I think I would prefer to just stick to the 4th Ed.

[wum1ng]

Essentials doesn't add any new rules to 4th edition. Think of Heroes of the Fallen Lands / Kingdoms as PHB4, containing new builds and feats for old classes.

The latest items rules update, kind of like errata, is that all items now are common / uncommon / rare. You can only buy common items from shops, and these are very limited, like potion of healing and standard +1 items. Everything else is supposed to be uncommon items, and made available only by DM as loot. This makes it kind of lame as basically gold becomes quite useless ahaha.

[thedungeonmaster]

But I still don't understand why the whole book has to start explaining the mechanics of D&D, it is as though it is a new version of the PHB.

As for the items updates, is it from Essentials or also updated in the Errata itself?

And seriously, it's a pain in the ass having WoTC constantly tweaking the dame rules every now and then.

[wum1ng]

The items update is from Essentials, but included in the Errata, as listed here:

www.wizards.com/dnd/files/DNDessentials.pdf

[wum1ng]

Item Rarity

Older items, until stated otherwise, have the Uncommon
rarity. The exceptions are the following items,
which are common. Some of these items appear in
Heroes of the Fallen Lands and Heroes of the Forgotten
Kingdoms. Some come from other sources and are
intended to supply players with more common items.

Black Iron Armor
Magic Armor
Sylvan Armor
Veteran’s Armor
Defensive Weapon
Magic Weapon
Vicious Weapon
Magic Orb
Magic Staff
Utility Staff
Defensive Staff
Magic Wand
Magic Tome
Magic Rod
Rod of Dark Reward
Rod of Hope Triumphant
Magic Holy Symbol
Symbol of the Holy Nimbus
Symbol of Vigor
Magic Totem
Autumn Harvest Totem
Pure Spirit Totem
Bracers of Might Striking
Bracelet of the Radiant Storm
Shield of the Barrier Sentinels
Shield of Deflection
Boots of Striding
Boots of Stealth
Boots of Surging Speed
Boots of Quickness
Parry Gauntlets
Gloves of Grace
Gloves of Agility
Diadem of Acuity
Goggles of Night
Helm of Battle
Circlet of Indomitability
Headband of Perception
Amulet of Protection
Elven Cloak
Safewing Amulet
Collar of Recovery
Belt of Vigor
Belt of Vim
Girdle of the Oxen
Belt of Blood
Potion of Healing
Potion of Life
Potion of Recovery
Potion of Vitality

[thedungeonmaster]

Ok, I've checked through the site on the Rules Updates in the D&D official site and the last official errata updates was in October 2010.

Where can I find the Essentials updates etc?

[wum1ng]

Link provided above was the "errata" they just didn't call it as such.

[thedungeonmaster]

And where did you find the link? Coz, I just can't seem to find it on the site.

[wum1ng]

Wizards compiled a list of changes when essentials came out. Their admin screwed up so you can't find it "easily" now. I have a feeling they don't really want you to lol.